just some small shit. we rented motorbikes today and road to marble mountain. it was super sick. there were like 5 pagodas and 6 caves alll with shrines. it was the coolest religious momument we have been to so far. the ride there was about 15 km, and i totally tried to open up on the road, got that bitch up to 80 km/h. not that fast when you convert but still super fun. this vietnamese lady started a conversation on the road and asked where we're from and charlie replied, america and she dropped a super awesome on us; it was pretty funny. she let us park our motorbikes at their family marble shop while we visited the mountain. on the way home we both almost died, trying to pass a cart and a big fucking car mashing on the wrong side of the road trying to get by some tourists on bicycles. seriously like threading the needle. it was cool that we lived. we stopped for some dinner at a bbq joint after that and there was mad weird food, pig intestines, chicken feet, pig ear, pig tail, i don't even know what else. i thought we were going to keep our weird food trend up but we eventually just bought chicken and rice. it was super delicious and we both wanted to ask for a receipe but they spoke no english. after when we were about to leave, i asked the dudes at the table what they were eating and they gave me a bite and a shot of rice wine. i took both and a dude at the next table spoke good english so i asked him what it was and he said intestine and ear and all the random shit off a pig. wasn't bad, just salty and a bit fatty on some parts. so continues our daring each other to eat weird shit. i would have probably never went this far, foodwise, if charlie wasn't here; so i'm happy for that. not sure what else to write, hoi an is a bit of a tourist trap and we want to get to an area to post up and get to know the neighborhood and not spend so much money. even though shits hella cheap. have a good one, i hope every one is awesome and i'll try to post some pictures soon.
later,
nick
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Monday, October 24, 2011
new thoughts and what we've been up to.
a few quick thoughts about vietnam and her people. i think these are some of the friendliest people i've ever met. everyone we've done business with has been super nice and very thankful when we have come back to their store or resturant or a motorbike ride. they all want to talk and know where we are from and when we say america, they always say, "cool." so if we find a place we like we usually have been going back again and getting ideas from them on what to do in their city. it's been good advice so far. the kids all want to say hello, so they follow us around saying hello like 10 times, it's pretty funny. also, the country is beautiful; but the amount of trash is incredible. there's no real garbage cans, so people just pile up little pastic trash bags on the streets and a bicycle cart will come by and pick up occasionally. this leaves time for the rats and dogs to get into the trash and spread it all over. the traffic is congested to huge degree and the highways are littered with trash. the motorbike rides are still fun as hell though.
oh, and i saw some like 5 year olds smoking. it was surreal, the kids from the sand dunes that took us out there, i shouldn't have paid them.
so, we are now in Hoi An, just got in this morning at 7 AM after the all night 12 hour bus ride. it was a long time and we were kinda packed. next to some other americans though, and no one tried to rob charlie. although, i'm pretty sure my giants hat got kiped. i guess these things happen. the overnighters are decent to lay down in but made for the super skinny people and charlie's tall ass is usually hanging over the edge by like two feet. we split a bottle of wine on there so we could get sleep a little easier, still the back of the bus smells like fumes and you bounce around a ton.
last time i wrote we were in Mui Ne, the day we left we treated ourselves to a little spa day. hahahah, pretty funny but nice. got some salt scrubs, manicures, pedicures, and full body massages for 20 USD. not gonna lie it was pretty nice. that night we drank with this spaniard ramon before getting on our first all night bus to Nha Trang. after everything ramon said, he would say, "it's okay," and shrug his shoulders. he was pretty cool though and we diced and drank with him until he ran out of money and then i took chuck for a fair bit of cash.
we got to Nha Trang at about 6 or 7 in the morning and had a motorbike guy take us to a cheap hotel. i thought were were getting a good deal in Mui Ne for a cheap place for 5 USD a night, i mean it was stinky and there were cockroaches but it's 5 bucks. either way, the new place was 3 USD a night, hahah, not bad. no other kids and the sheets and blankets they gave us were pretty sketch but i guess that happens when you are bumming it. the weather was pretty poor the first couple of days there so we ended up playing cards and watching the rugby world cup by this pool at this microbrewery. it cost about a 1.50 to chill and use the pool for the day. i didn't know it was a microbrewery until we got there and nearly lost it when they had some beer that was darker then a lager. seriously, it wasn't that good but it was amazing. so that was pretty fun and we got to hangout with some other travellers which we hadn't really got to before cuz we kind of avoid the super popular places but also that combined with the state of the places we've been staying i don't think many other people stay there. anyway, we went out to dinner and drinking with them that night and had a good time in general.
the next day we got a motorbike ride to the market and setup a trip with the dudes to do some tourist shit the next day. the market is crazy. it looks like makeshift tents and spots but with so much stuff out we thought they might just never close. not sure if that is true but each store, you can't even call them that, stall i guess, had so much shit out. weird things, dried fish, dried shark, flip flops, clothes, fake watches, fake sunglasses, fake everything, fruit, meats, people were gambling on horse race chess (i watched but had no clue what was going on), people were sleeping in their stalls, shellfish (charlie ate one, said it was super good), and every other thing you could imagine. the place had some unique smells, you could say in the least. we walked the 2 km back to the hotel checking out some of the alleys in town. there are the main roads in town but then there are all of these alleys. they are way crazy and cool, it's seems that they are mostly where people live, but there are lots of kiosks (we've eaten a lot of street meat and kiosk food, some good, some fairly questionable), and we saw a gym (using concrete plates), motorbike fixing shops, and maybe some resturant houses. we've eaten in a lot of resturant houses too. the best pho we got in Nha Trang was at one of these and it was probably the cheapest pho we had too at like 1.50 USD; 30,000 Dong. the money is crazy, everytime i pull cash out of the ATM i'm a millionaire. i always knew i'd make it some day. we also got a porkchop meal in one of the house resturants too and it was for under a buck. you can easily spend like 6 or so dollars a meal to or charlie and i have usually been splitting 6 dollar meals.
the next day the motorbike guys picked us up at 10 AM for our tourist shit. we didn't really know the plan but whatever. they first took us to two temeples in town, one a little newer where charlie got scammed into buying some postcards for like 400,000 dong, it's only like 20 bucks but it was still pretty funny, they told him it was for an orphanage though; so he has that going for him. i said that was too much and then offered 40,000 dong. i never figured that charlie would be the bigger sucker. the second temple was more of ruins that had been restored, pretty cool, on a hill overlooking most of Nha Trang. the we went on about a 45 minute motorbike ride on the highway out to a place where we could check out a waterfall and do some swimming. it was a little hike and we had to pay to get in but it was pretty fun. the water was really nice but both of us were a little sketched about getting in as it had been raining and the water was pretty merky. it was super freshing though. another motorbike ride back to town where we spoke with the dudes about where we could get some snake for dinner. they said, yeah, we know a place. we'll be back to pick you up at 6. so cool, we're gonna eat some snake. hahahah.
at 6 they came by and off we took into the sticks to get to the place. we get out there and we're about to sit down but they go, no, come back and pick out a snake. hahahah. here it gets a little trippy. they got some bags full of snakes, some little ones, a bag with a bigger one and then a bag with a cobra. niether of us had seen a cobra and wanted to get that but it was 2 million, so we got the other big one. i'm not sure what kind of snake it was but it was black and yellow stripped. so, they get the snake and half a liter of vodka and go back to our table. the dude straight cuts the snakes head off and drains all the blood in this vodka, which we're about to drink up! they bring some shot glasses out and we pour 4 shots out, two for us two for the motorbike guys, learn the word for cheers (yo) and gut it. now you would think it might taste different but it mostly just tastes like vodka. we have a couple shots of that and some of the best freshly roasted peanuts i've ever had, when the chef brings out the still beating heart. we got it on video, i swear to god, and charlie chews that shit up like a boss, i got video of that too. he said it wasn't that bad and kinda just tasted like the vodka. we cheers some more with the motorbike guys, until a little grill is brought out to cook the snake on. we picked out 2 types of grilled snake and then snake soup. plus there was this little chubby kid that was absolutely bananas with his family, but this little guy gets up and starts like spasing all over the place, pretending that he's cheersing with us and eating; just making weird motions and bobbing and weaving all over. but he's funny as all get out. we got video of that too. so they bring the first type of snake out to grill an some soy sauce one with peppers in it and one without to dip it in. the sanke is wrapped up in some type of leaf then grilled. and you know what, it wasn't bad. it was actually pretty good. there's lots of bones in it but you just chew through them. we have some beers with the meal, get super excited that we did some crazy shit and take pictures with the owner, the cook, and the motorbike guys. it was definitely a trip.
the next night we ate grilled frog and szchewan clams at this place that had been right next to our hotel for super cheap. stoked cuz neither of us had ever eaten frog before and it was pretty good and the clams were out of this world but mad cuz we were on the night bus outta Nha Trang when we discover the place. so it goes.
anyway, we are in Hoi An and this place is famous for buying custom clothes. you can get custom suits for as cheap as 50 USD but maybe drop more on some better material. probably not in our budget but who knows, we were thinking about getting some party suits...
oh, and i saw some like 5 year olds smoking. it was surreal, the kids from the sand dunes that took us out there, i shouldn't have paid them.
so, we are now in Hoi An, just got in this morning at 7 AM after the all night 12 hour bus ride. it was a long time and we were kinda packed. next to some other americans though, and no one tried to rob charlie. although, i'm pretty sure my giants hat got kiped. i guess these things happen. the overnighters are decent to lay down in but made for the super skinny people and charlie's tall ass is usually hanging over the edge by like two feet. we split a bottle of wine on there so we could get sleep a little easier, still the back of the bus smells like fumes and you bounce around a ton.
last time i wrote we were in Mui Ne, the day we left we treated ourselves to a little spa day. hahahah, pretty funny but nice. got some salt scrubs, manicures, pedicures, and full body massages for 20 USD. not gonna lie it was pretty nice. that night we drank with this spaniard ramon before getting on our first all night bus to Nha Trang. after everything ramon said, he would say, "it's okay," and shrug his shoulders. he was pretty cool though and we diced and drank with him until he ran out of money and then i took chuck for a fair bit of cash.
we got to Nha Trang at about 6 or 7 in the morning and had a motorbike guy take us to a cheap hotel. i thought were were getting a good deal in Mui Ne for a cheap place for 5 USD a night, i mean it was stinky and there were cockroaches but it's 5 bucks. either way, the new place was 3 USD a night, hahah, not bad. no other kids and the sheets and blankets they gave us were pretty sketch but i guess that happens when you are bumming it. the weather was pretty poor the first couple of days there so we ended up playing cards and watching the rugby world cup by this pool at this microbrewery. it cost about a 1.50 to chill and use the pool for the day. i didn't know it was a microbrewery until we got there and nearly lost it when they had some beer that was darker then a lager. seriously, it wasn't that good but it was amazing. so that was pretty fun and we got to hangout with some other travellers which we hadn't really got to before cuz we kind of avoid the super popular places but also that combined with the state of the places we've been staying i don't think many other people stay there. anyway, we went out to dinner and drinking with them that night and had a good time in general.
the next day we got a motorbike ride to the market and setup a trip with the dudes to do some tourist shit the next day. the market is crazy. it looks like makeshift tents and spots but with so much stuff out we thought they might just never close. not sure if that is true but each store, you can't even call them that, stall i guess, had so much shit out. weird things, dried fish, dried shark, flip flops, clothes, fake watches, fake sunglasses, fake everything, fruit, meats, people were gambling on horse race chess (i watched but had no clue what was going on), people were sleeping in their stalls, shellfish (charlie ate one, said it was super good), and every other thing you could imagine. the place had some unique smells, you could say in the least. we walked the 2 km back to the hotel checking out some of the alleys in town. there are the main roads in town but then there are all of these alleys. they are way crazy and cool, it's seems that they are mostly where people live, but there are lots of kiosks (we've eaten a lot of street meat and kiosk food, some good, some fairly questionable), and we saw a gym (using concrete plates), motorbike fixing shops, and maybe some resturant houses. we've eaten in a lot of resturant houses too. the best pho we got in Nha Trang was at one of these and it was probably the cheapest pho we had too at like 1.50 USD; 30,000 Dong. the money is crazy, everytime i pull cash out of the ATM i'm a millionaire. i always knew i'd make it some day. we also got a porkchop meal in one of the house resturants too and it was for under a buck. you can easily spend like 6 or so dollars a meal to or charlie and i have usually been splitting 6 dollar meals.
the next day the motorbike guys picked us up at 10 AM for our tourist shit. we didn't really know the plan but whatever. they first took us to two temeples in town, one a little newer where charlie got scammed into buying some postcards for like 400,000 dong, it's only like 20 bucks but it was still pretty funny, they told him it was for an orphanage though; so he has that going for him. i said that was too much and then offered 40,000 dong. i never figured that charlie would be the bigger sucker. the second temple was more of ruins that had been restored, pretty cool, on a hill overlooking most of Nha Trang. the we went on about a 45 minute motorbike ride on the highway out to a place where we could check out a waterfall and do some swimming. it was a little hike and we had to pay to get in but it was pretty fun. the water was really nice but both of us were a little sketched about getting in as it had been raining and the water was pretty merky. it was super freshing though. another motorbike ride back to town where we spoke with the dudes about where we could get some snake for dinner. they said, yeah, we know a place. we'll be back to pick you up at 6. so cool, we're gonna eat some snake. hahahah.
at 6 they came by and off we took into the sticks to get to the place. we get out there and we're about to sit down but they go, no, come back and pick out a snake. hahahah. here it gets a little trippy. they got some bags full of snakes, some little ones, a bag with a bigger one and then a bag with a cobra. niether of us had seen a cobra and wanted to get that but it was 2 million, so we got the other big one. i'm not sure what kind of snake it was but it was black and yellow stripped. so, they get the snake and half a liter of vodka and go back to our table. the dude straight cuts the snakes head off and drains all the blood in this vodka, which we're about to drink up! they bring some shot glasses out and we pour 4 shots out, two for us two for the motorbike guys, learn the word for cheers (yo) and gut it. now you would think it might taste different but it mostly just tastes like vodka. we have a couple shots of that and some of the best freshly roasted peanuts i've ever had, when the chef brings out the still beating heart. we got it on video, i swear to god, and charlie chews that shit up like a boss, i got video of that too. he said it wasn't that bad and kinda just tasted like the vodka. we cheers some more with the motorbike guys, until a little grill is brought out to cook the snake on. we picked out 2 types of grilled snake and then snake soup. plus there was this little chubby kid that was absolutely bananas with his family, but this little guy gets up and starts like spasing all over the place, pretending that he's cheersing with us and eating; just making weird motions and bobbing and weaving all over. but he's funny as all get out. we got video of that too. so they bring the first type of snake out to grill an some soy sauce one with peppers in it and one without to dip it in. the sanke is wrapped up in some type of leaf then grilled. and you know what, it wasn't bad. it was actually pretty good. there's lots of bones in it but you just chew through them. we have some beers with the meal, get super excited that we did some crazy shit and take pictures with the owner, the cook, and the motorbike guys. it was definitely a trip.
the next night we ate grilled frog and szchewan clams at this place that had been right next to our hotel for super cheap. stoked cuz neither of us had ever eaten frog before and it was pretty good and the clams were out of this world but mad cuz we were on the night bus outta Nha Trang when we discover the place. so it goes.
anyway, we are in Hoi An and this place is famous for buying custom clothes. you can get custom suits for as cheap as 50 USD but maybe drop more on some better material. probably not in our budget but who knows, we were thinking about getting some party suits...
Tuesday, October 18, 2011
maybe some karma
i feel like an asshole. that last entry might have been a little too crass and not very good with giving Vietnam fair treatment. but i got a bit of karma to balance that out, i lost my sunglasses this morning trying, just trying mind you to stand of a paddle board. sucks. it wouldn't have been so bad except the glasses where a gift from a friend and had some sentimental value. spiritual connections through material items. their gone now... so it goes.
anyway, so things i might have skipped over yesterday. RATS! there were some huge fucking rats in Ho Chi Minh, like these guys were big enough to eat a big cat. the pollution there was pretty crazy, but not so much more than that i've seen elsewhere. charlie was commenting that he had been trying to keep his use of plastic down in the states but comes here and wonders if it matters. it all matters but it is crazy to see. also, i mentioned that the Vietnamese ride motorbikes. i'm pretty sure that it's required that every person has at least one. and to load up a family of four on one, and ride around with like 15 cases of pepsi or a fucking pile of rebar held over your head. it's mad to see. charlie noted that they are masters of packaging and weight distribution. guaranteed! the round abouts are insane as well. i keep looking for crashes, like every other minute, but have yet to see one. we did rent one and have decided it's pretty much the best. looking to rent one in Hanoi and ride them to Halong Bay and Sapa when we're up north. backpacks and all, should be legendary.
some more pics
a VC trap with bamboo spikes at the bottom.
charlie teaching everyone that it's cool for a real man to drink out of a silly straw.
jade emperor palace
inside
me and our favorite street vendor lady in ho chi minh
opening hole to climb down into the Chu Chi tunnel system. americans too fat from smoking marijuana and eating burgers too fit we were told.
the food has been terrific and cheap. although, every time you spend money you think it is so much as you're dealing in at least the thousand and partly with hundreds of thousands. i changed money at the airport and was given 2 million dong, which was a 100 bucks. beers are like 50 cents, the pho is for real and mangoes and other tropical fruits hella good. Mui Ne is a seafood town so we've been trying that as well.
more to come at some point.
anyway, so things i might have skipped over yesterday. RATS! there were some huge fucking rats in Ho Chi Minh, like these guys were big enough to eat a big cat. the pollution there was pretty crazy, but not so much more than that i've seen elsewhere. charlie was commenting that he had been trying to keep his use of plastic down in the states but comes here and wonders if it matters. it all matters but it is crazy to see. also, i mentioned that the Vietnamese ride motorbikes. i'm pretty sure that it's required that every person has at least one. and to load up a family of four on one, and ride around with like 15 cases of pepsi or a fucking pile of rebar held over your head. it's mad to see. charlie noted that they are masters of packaging and weight distribution. guaranteed! the round abouts are insane as well. i keep looking for crashes, like every other minute, but have yet to see one. we did rent one and have decided it's pretty much the best. looking to rent one in Hanoi and ride them to Halong Bay and Sapa when we're up north. backpacks and all, should be legendary.
some more pics
a VC trap with bamboo spikes at the bottom.
the food has been terrific and cheap. although, every time you spend money you think it is so much as you're dealing in at least the thousand and partly with hundreds of thousands. i changed money at the airport and was given 2 million dong, which was a 100 bucks. beers are like 50 cents, the pho is for real and mangoes and other tropical fruits hella good. Mui Ne is a seafood town so we've been trying that as well.
more to come at some point.
Sunday, October 16, 2011
Ho Chi Minh to Mui Ne
what's going on??!! so, charlie and i are now in mui ne. we spent about 2 days in ho chi minh city; it was mad. charlie said it best, it's like playing Frogger trying to cross the streets. There are SO many motorbikes and then buses and cars, it's unreal, and most intersections people just charge, no rule no order, just go. ho chi minh wasn't bad, we spent one day trying to walk to the Jade Emperor Pagoda; got lost as shit and then took our first motorbike ride. that was pretty much the best part of the Jade Emperor Pagoda. we both thought it was going to be like this like sacred temple and there would be people leading you through or some kind of monastic seriousness to the whole thing. NOPE. it looked like people were living there, there were dishes stacked all over, empty sodas with like a sip left, and the one dude carrying a TV around with his shirt off smoking. it wasn't bad, just totally different than expected.
so, the next day we decide to wake up early and do the Chu Chi Tunnels, which was alright. it must have took 45 minutes to get out of ho chi minh, just this sprawling metropolis. the first stop was handicap handicrafts, so all these people who got fucked up from Agent Orange and bombs and mines making handicrafts. it was weird, i felt more like the people who owned it were just getting cheap labor for this shitty artworks. but maybe i'm jaded. we make our way to the tunnels next and the they sit us down and go through this whole schtick about how the tunnels were built how many levels there were, 3 just so you know and just kept pounding it us how much smarter the Viet Cong were than the US G.I.'s cuz we could only kill the people in the first level by dropping bombs and that the VC used red chili's and pepper to mess up the dogs sense of smell trying to find out where the tunnels were. the history of and crawling through the tunnels was really pretty cool, the propaganda of the tour, not so much. but whatever. so, it's also hella late in getting back to Ho Chi Minh, and charlie and i had booked a bus to leave to Mui Ne at 3.
so, we get back at like 3:15 and have to charge to the travel/tour office and they get us on the back of motorbikes and are like, cool, we gonna charge and catch the bus. it was insane, literally bananas. we have to race back to the hostel pick our our backpacks and then get on the back of these motorbikes to charge across town to catch the bus. these dudes were nuts, running red lights, mashing, it was suicidal; but the greatest fun ever. both of us have giant backpacks on, i'm holding on with one hand holding my day pack with the other going like 45 km/h. we catch the bus, adrenaline straight pumping and get on. hahahah, it was surreal.
what is supposed to take 4 1/2 hrs to Mui Ne takes like 6 at least and we get here at 10 at night with no place to stay. first order of business, get a bed. the bus worker who is on there, basically just to make sure things run smoothly says i got a place you can stay it's 10 USD. so we're like we'll check it out. turns out it's 5 a night and just a dump, charlie and i are like perfect. so, we're paying and this south korean lady is trying to complain that there's cockroaches in her bed. pretty nasty so that's the first thing we check in our room. it's stinks in the place but we don't really care.
we been two days in Mui Ne and so far it's been awesome. yesterday we mostly chilled, had a stellar breakfast with all sorts of tropical fruit including what looks like white kiwi and is super delicious. drank some beers at the beach and then played hacky sack with about 5 kids who were collecting bottles from tourists on the beach. today, we had breakfast at the same place and then immediately rented a motorbike and charged out to the red sand dunes to see em and do some sand sledding. again, some kids showed us the way and took pictures, it was pretty cool. on the way back to pick up the motorbike we haggled the price with the kids, they ask for some massive amount to money and charlie and i talk em down. charlie and i have pretty much perfected it by now and just play good cop bad cop. they say their price and one of us will say something way lower and we both walk away. they chase after and try for the original price, again way lower. but now one of us will stay and be like, "no, he wants it for the lower price." and so on and so forth until we come to an acceptable price.
it's been fun so far and there's still a ton to come.
so, the next day we decide to wake up early and do the Chu Chi Tunnels, which was alright. it must have took 45 minutes to get out of ho chi minh, just this sprawling metropolis. the first stop was handicap handicrafts, so all these people who got fucked up from Agent Orange and bombs and mines making handicrafts. it was weird, i felt more like the people who owned it were just getting cheap labor for this shitty artworks. but maybe i'm jaded. we make our way to the tunnels next and the they sit us down and go through this whole schtick about how the tunnels were built how many levels there were, 3 just so you know and just kept pounding it us how much smarter the Viet Cong were than the US G.I.'s cuz we could only kill the people in the first level by dropping bombs and that the VC used red chili's and pepper to mess up the dogs sense of smell trying to find out where the tunnels were. the history of and crawling through the tunnels was really pretty cool, the propaganda of the tour, not so much. but whatever. so, it's also hella late in getting back to Ho Chi Minh, and charlie and i had booked a bus to leave to Mui Ne at 3.
so, we get back at like 3:15 and have to charge to the travel/tour office and they get us on the back of motorbikes and are like, cool, we gonna charge and catch the bus. it was insane, literally bananas. we have to race back to the hostel pick our our backpacks and then get on the back of these motorbikes to charge across town to catch the bus. these dudes were nuts, running red lights, mashing, it was suicidal; but the greatest fun ever. both of us have giant backpacks on, i'm holding on with one hand holding my day pack with the other going like 45 km/h. we catch the bus, adrenaline straight pumping and get on. hahahah, it was surreal.
what is supposed to take 4 1/2 hrs to Mui Ne takes like 6 at least and we get here at 10 at night with no place to stay. first order of business, get a bed. the bus worker who is on there, basically just to make sure things run smoothly says i got a place you can stay it's 10 USD. so we're like we'll check it out. turns out it's 5 a night and just a dump, charlie and i are like perfect. so, we're paying and this south korean lady is trying to complain that there's cockroaches in her bed. pretty nasty so that's the first thing we check in our room. it's stinks in the place but we don't really care.
we been two days in Mui Ne and so far it's been awesome. yesterday we mostly chilled, had a stellar breakfast with all sorts of tropical fruit including what looks like white kiwi and is super delicious. drank some beers at the beach and then played hacky sack with about 5 kids who were collecting bottles from tourists on the beach. today, we had breakfast at the same place and then immediately rented a motorbike and charged out to the red sand dunes to see em and do some sand sledding. again, some kids showed us the way and took pictures, it was pretty cool. on the way back to pick up the motorbike we haggled the price with the kids, they ask for some massive amount to money and charlie and i talk em down. charlie and i have pretty much perfected it by now and just play good cop bad cop. they say their price and one of us will say something way lower and we both walk away. they chase after and try for the original price, again way lower. but now one of us will stay and be like, "no, he wants it for the lower price." and so on and so forth until we come to an acceptable price.
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